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Hi, everyone, Andrew Collins here. I want to thank everyone for taking an interest in our cave discoveries at Giza. Dr Zahi Hawass, secretary general of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities, has now issued an official statement on what he calls 'Collins' Cave Discovery'. Indeed, that could be a photo of any cave structure anywhere in Egypt, or the world for that matter. Do you have photos of the tomb and of the opening leading into the cave system, something systematic to provide as definitive visual evidence? I read your post and came across reference to 'cemetery G1600.' The designation 'G1600' would refer to a specific tomb, most likely a mastaba (or what's left of one).

What is the exact Giza designation for the 'Tomb of the Birds'? All tombs on the Plateau have a specific designation. Is it in fact G1600? You can understand why those of us with an orthodox background might be skeptical. With the exception of Mark Lehner, no one is probably more intimately acquainted with Giza and its features than Hawass. All I'm asking for is more specific evidence, particularly photographic. I'm also interested in that tomb's designation.

I have several volumes of excavation reports for Giza tombs and might be able to track it down better for myself. Not that my opinion matters, I know, but I'd appreciate the opportunity to evaluate the information.

Thanks for writing your post and sharing your view. You guys will just have to wait till the book comes out to see the rest of the pictures!!

(htta://genetics.med.harvard.edu/reich/Reich Lab/Welcome files/2011Mooriani PLOS.pdf) 478 Tempest and Exodus, p. 479 Ignatius Donnelly, Atlantis, The Antediluvian World, p. 485 Andrew Collins, Beneath the Pyramids, p. 486 Andrew Collins, Beneath the Pyramids, p. 60; emphasis, ours. Beneath the Pyramids by Andrew Collins and Publisher 4th Dimension Press. Save up to 80% by choosing the eTextbook option for ISBN: 449,. The print version of this textbook is ISBN: 718,.

I've already pre-ordered mine. Hi Andrew - welcome to the forum. I wish I could say I was expecting your book to unveil fascinating secrets of the Giza plateau, but I'm thinking it's not going to shed a lot of light on the tunnels and caverns that supposedly riddle the place is it? And it's not like we couldn't figure what Mr. Hawass was going to say. He may know his stuff, but whatever he does, he does to protect his job and whatever other agenda is hidden from public view.

I mean, a 20-22 foot fence is a bit of overkill isn't it? You guys will just have to wait till the book comes out to see the rest of the pictures!! I've already pre-ordered mine.

Hi Andrew - welcome to the forum. I wish I could say I was expecting your book to unveil fascinating secrets of the Giza plateau, but I'm thinking it's not going to shed a lot of light on the tunnels and caverns that supposedly riddle the place is it? And it's not like we couldn't figure what Mr. Hawass was going to say. He may know his stuff, but whatever he does, he does to protect his job and whatever other agenda is hidden from public view. I mean, a 20-22 foot fence is a bit of overkill isn't it? That 22 foot fence might not even be enough, in order to protect any artefacts still to be found.

I don't know if you ever been to Egypt, but as far as antique artefacts go, they have the same problem as South-America has with the Chiclero's, if it aint nailed to the wall they'll nick it. Even if it is nailed to the wall they'll nick it. The only thing preventing them most of the time, is the thread of accute lead poisening.

For thousands of years, there's been no fence. All of a sudden the light bulb comes on and Hawass realizes people steal? I bet he's the biggest 'taker of artifacts' there is. The fence says that he has either found artifacts of extensive value and doesn't want the world to know because he has no where secure enough to put them or they're big and he can't get them out so has to leave them where they are, or they're long gone on the underground market and certain people in Egypt are that much wealthier.

Hi, kmt-sesh. Appreciate you taking seriously our claims, and I will see if I can answer some of your questions, leaving the more technical ones to Nigel, when he is ready. Firstly, I want to apologise to the Hall of Maat forum for the unscholarly manner I might have at times introduced this subject to the public.

However, it is important to remember that I am a writer with a journalistic background. The way I might perceive the discoveries could be described as a tad more excitable than, say, Nigel, who is the sobering factor in this fascinating story. Our responses to Dr Hawass's dismissal of the cave claims have now been posted, and the debate is being followed by Discovery ArchaeoNews. You guys will just have to wait till the book comes out to see the rest of the pictures!!

I've already pre-ordered mine. It's unlikely I will buy the book, but that's beside the point. If Andrew is bringing this discussion to a public forum, he needs to defend his position in this forum as any of us would be expected to do. Telling us to buy his book would not just be a diversion from properly stating his case in this public forum-it would be against the rules of UM. I stress that he has not done this, however. I'm just making a point.And it's not like we couldn't figure what Mr. Hawass was going to say.

He may know his stuff, but whatever he does, he does to protect his job and whatever other agenda is hidden from public view. I mean, a 20-22 foot fence is a bit of overkill isn't it? See, this is something with which I have a big problem-the implication that the shady and evil defenders of orthodoxy are hiding the 'truth' from the masses. That's a plot suitable for a sci-fi movie, but is in no way a reflection of reality. Look at this logically. If Andrew is correct and there are vast natural caverns below Giza, how on earth does this have any bearing on Hawass's job?

If these caves are a reality, they have little to no impact on the archaeology or socio-history of Giza. It would bear only on the study of the geology of Giza, which in itself would be interesting, I agree. But for Pete's sake, really, why would orthodoxy try to hide the existence of such things? If you truly understood how orthodox research and exploration are conducted, you would never say such a thing. And why are you still on about this wall?

The only reason it is there is to control the flow of traffic to certain monuments. The monuments can be guarded much easier this way, because graffiti and snatching chunks of stones are an ever-present problem. Qoais, you really ought not to obsess over conspiracy plots that do not exist.

You are in a sense saying that professional historians are deceitful and dishonest, which is not only false but rather offensive. Hi, again, Should we be right about the caves, then the implications are enormous for the evolution of the Giza pyramid field. If they have been accessible via openings to the surface prior to the Pyramid Age, then I strongly suspect that they will have influenced the understanding of the pyramid area's relationship with the duat-underworld, especially that part that came to associated with Memphis in the Am-duat text, i.e. The Fourth and Fifth Hours of the Night. These, as we know, were referred to as the land or kingdom or Sokar, as well as Rostau, the 'mouth of the passages'. Although the Am-duat funerary text is dated to New Kingdom times, it is possible that the Fourth and Fifth Hours derive from earlier associations with Giza-Rostau.

It is even possible that that the caves contain evidence of human activity prior to the Pyramid Age. Let's keep an open mind on this one. BTW, as a writer by profession, I am obliged to promote my published works. However, I will play down this side in the hope that we can come to some kind of better understanding about what is down there. I have attached a pic of the cave passage for people's perusal. Is this natural?

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Hi, again, Should we be right about the caves, then the implications are enormous for the evolution of the Giza pyramid field. If they have been accessible via openings to the surface prior to the Pyramid Age, then I strongly suspect that they will have influenced the understanding of the pyramid area's relationship with the duat-underworld, especially that part that came to associated with Memphis in the Am-duat text, i.e. The Fourth and Fifth Hours of the Night. These, as we know, were referred to as the land or kingdom or Sokar, as well as Rostau, the 'mouth of the passages'.

Although the Am-duat funerary text is dated to New Kingdom times, it is possible that the Fourth and Fifth Hours derive from earlier associations with Giza-Rostau. It is even possible that that the caves contain evidence of human activity prior to the Pyramid Age. Let's keep an open mind on this one. BTW, as a writer by profession, I am obliged to promote my published works. However, I will play down this side in the hope that we can come to some kind of better understanding about what is down there.

I have attached a pic of the cave passage for people's perusal. Is this natural? OK, so from a purely scholarly perspective, the existence of, and the more importantly the USE of these caves or cave-like structures has bearing on what is the accepted theory of the evolution of the pyramids from simple mud-brick mounds, to the soaring giants that we idealize as 'The Pyramids'. I'm still stuck on the why of hiding this possibility from the public. What harm would it do to Hawas or any one for that matter, to reveal yet another clue to all of the mysteries that surround the pyramids? And by mysteries I mean historical mysteries, not 'paranormal UFO's' and all that jazz. Have these caves been documented from a geologists perspective?

Even some basic examination should allow an estimate of how long they have been there based on the type of stone and the environmental factors. You reckon so, but do geologists? If you would like to call Andrew Collins a lier then go ahead and do so. Unfortunately if he is telling the truth and Hawass is blocking further investigation (for whatever reason) then it maybe a very long time before we are able to decide the truth of the matter. I personally think it would be very foolish of Collins to lie about this and do not take him to be a fool, but a genuine researcher of the mysterious - as such I believe the cave structure is real. It is a widespread belief that there is a network of caves under the pyramids and as such when someone finds them we shouldn't be very surprised. It seems inconceivable that these caves were not known of and used by the builders of Egypt and as such there may be much to learn from them.

As such we should all be interested in the outcome of this. Br Cornelius. Thanks for more information, Andrew. I must say you state your case very reasonably and with a level head. People here know how orthodox I am and how I tend to rebuke fringe theory, but I'm now leaning away from regarding this as fringe. I'm not exactly crazy about Hawass but he is a respected and highly experienced researcher and archaeologist, and his familiarity with the Plateau is encyclopedic.

I have to give credit where credit is due, which is why I can't dismiss his response outright. However, I'm no longer going to dismiss your position outright, either. You clearly have conducted legitimate research. I have not had the benefit of visiting Giza myself. However, I have researched Egypt and the Near East for more than twenty years, and regularly interact with professional historians at two institutions in Chicago.

More than a few Egyptologists with whom I've talked have related the difficulties one has when dealing with Hawass, so I can appreciate the brick wall you've run up against. It looks like Hawass will not stand behind your claims.

We've been talking about your explorations here at UM for a while now, and as I've mentioned to others, in order for your claims to stand, they will need to be recognized and supported by the professional community. Have you interacted with anyone else from the academic community who could lend weight to your cause?

Hawass speaks for the SCA, at least until he retires, so it doesn't appear that the SCA will be of help for you. I read Hawass's on his own website.

I wish he had gone into more detail, but he's definitive about it. I'm still trying to get a sense of where your 'Tomb of the Birds' is.

Hawass has that photo on the web page, in which he's outlined a specific area to the west of the western cemetery of Khufu. Is that the accurate location for your tomb? I'm surprised the tomb has no official designation because that is the only reliable way other researchers could reference it, but if it actually is that far to the west, it's possible it never had anything to do with Khufu's complex in the first place. The fact that it may have been reused for animal burials as late as the Ptolemaic Period is not the least surprising, given the popularity of Giza throughout dynastic history and the propensity for animal-burial cults late in history. Earlier when I stated the caves might have no bearing on the socio-historical development of Giza, I probably didn't go into enough detail. The only way that would be the case is, as you've said, if the caves had been available early in dynastic history. This would be simple to determine.

The existence of such a cave system would have been impossible to ignore to the ancient Egyptians. They would've used it to some extent, and probably extensively. Therefore, one would logically expect to find burials, inscriptions (especially areas of cave walls that had been worked and dressed to receive relief carvings), and all manner of artifacts to demonstrate the material culture.

If none of this is present, then you can be certain peoples of the lengthy dynastic period were not aware of such features. That caves figure prominently in the ancient Egyptian mytho-religious traditions is not the least unusual or distinct, as one finds the same thing in a myriad of ancient cultures throughout the world. In Egyptian history one finds references to caverns as early as the Pyramid Texts, but that does not necessarily imply a connection with natural formations deep in the Mokattam Formation. To be sure, many of the spells in the Pyramid Texts are very ancient and probably even considerably precede the earliest royal burials at Giza.

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It is even possible that that the caves contain evidence of human activity prior to the Pyramid Age. Possible, Yes.

My question would be, has anything been found within the cave/caverns to suggest Old Kingdom knowledge or usage of same, or is this strictly conjecture at this point. Without any evidence to suggest the above, isn't this putting the cart before the horse? Question for Kmtsesh and Andrew, both: Is there any possibility that any portion of the cave ties into the Tomb of Osiris and that part of that is perhaps what was mentioned by earlier explorers? Possible, Yes. My question would be, has anything been found within the cave/caverns to suggest Old Kingdom knowledge or usage of same, or is this strictly conjecture at this point. Without any evidence to suggest the above, isn't this putting the cart before the horse?

Hey, I asked the same question. Quit copying me!

The question is critical, in all seriousness. Had the Egyptians known about such a cavern at any point in dynastic history, logically there would be evidence of their presence. Question for Kmtsesh and Andrew, both: Is there any possibility that any portion of the cave ties into the Tomb of Osiris and that part of that is perhaps what was mentioned by earlier explorers? Cormac I don't know if Andrew has first-hand experience with the Osiris shaft, and of course I myself do not, but based on Hawass's own excavation report it's my understanding this tomb shaft is completely self-contained. The bottom-most chamber, which is of course the oldest part of the feature, does contain a side tunnel, but it ends abruptly after several feet. The tomb does not connect to anything else, as far as I'm aware. No the caves have not been documented from a geological perspective.

Not yet, at least. However, if Dr Hawass denies their existence, what can we do?? If these are manmade as Dr Hawass suggests, then I'm missing something.

See for yourself from the attachment. What's your opinion? By the way, the reason why Dr Hawass has to be seen to know everything about the plateau is simple. Without such authority, he would lose his job. So if he were to admit that a major cave system had been found just west of the Great Pyramid by AMATEURS, then he would not last the final mile through until his retirement next year. Some very simple psychology involved here.

Hi, Appreciate your support, and objectivity, also. See the attached geological plan of the plateau I have done for Beneath the Pyramids, after Aigner. It shows the exact position of the Tomb of the Birds, and its relationship to the Moqattam formation.

I can say a lot of things about Dr Hawass, and most of them would be positive. I like the man. He is funny, entertaining, and good for Egyptology. However, my greater musings might be summed up at this time by this email I received from someone, a colleague and friend, who had read Hawass's blog relating to our cave discoveries: 'My first impression of Hawass' blog is that he is trying to trivialise and discredit your work and thus deflect people's interest away. He will succeed with the faint-hearted. only 'In more detail I note that he pretends to have first heard about it the cave discoveries from the internet, ignoring your communications and meeting with him over the past months. He again states that 'we know everything about this site' and that there is no underground cave complex., apparently quoting only Porter and Moss as a reference.

It is interesting that he says it the tomb has recently been re-explored by the SCA, in which case he could have had a reasonable discussion with you and perhaps stopped you in your tracks during the meeting, in April this year, but he chose not to, or perhaps the exploration was superficial.' The Osiris Shaft is the domain of my colleague Nigel Skinner-Simpson. See “The Shaft, The Subway & The Causeway”. Hawass has spent the last three or four weeks down in the Osiris shaft exploring a cave. At last report he got a probe 150' into it without reaching the end because of excessive mud. This is the self same Osiris shaft with clear water at the bot- tom and water erosion in man made passages.

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I should stress that there are no manmade passages connecting to anything else. I don't have a problem agreeing with voids and pockets and some caves, but I've never seen anything in the literature to suggest vast networks of interconnected corridors and chambers as one finds mentioned on websites.

Is from Hawass's website. He mentions that in June '.we will begin the work of sending the new robot into the tunnel in the hope of finding out where it leads.' Perhaps this is what you're talking about. The page isn't any more current than that, so where did you find the information about the last three weeks? In any case, it meshes with what you wrote, given that the page is current only up till early summer.

There's a great photo at the bottom of the page of a little boy exploring the aborted tunnel I mentioned earlier. The article states the boy was able to get about 16 feet into the tunnel before even he could go no farther. After that is when endoscopic cameras and robotics were employed. After numerous attempts the cameras were able to reach into the tunnels about 157 feet before ending. This deepest point in the main tunnel (they also explored a branch tunnel) does not seem to end in mud, but Hawass admits he can't be sure if it does or does not extend even farther.

All this to say his own website agrees with your post, although I have not heard or seen anything more recent about other explorations. If there have been, and they have had success, then they've most likely breached 160 feet by now. What I'm proposing is that when the bottom-most chamber of the Osiris shaft was cut (Hawass seems to think in Dynasty 6, possibly), the carvers noticed a fissure or some other type of little opening, and tried to expand it. They gave up after about 16 feet for some reason (the length the little boy was able to explore). Beyond that, I do not think it's possible that these tunnels were manmade. They were and are native to the limestone formation.

LOL Maybe I should just stress that for me personally, manmade tunnels would be more interesting. This would prove the ancient cutters' attempts to affect the limestone substrata and to bend it to their will. That's clearly not the case with the Osiris shaft.

See, this is something with which I have a big problem-the implication that the shady and evil defenders of orthodoxy are hiding the 'truth' from the masses. That's a plot suitable for a sci-fi movie, but is in no way a reflection of reality. Look at this logically.

If Andrew is correct and there are vast natural caverns below Giza, how on earth does this have any bearing on Hawass's job? If these caves are a reality, they have little to no impact on the archaeology or socio-history of Giza.

It would bear only on the study of the geology of Giza, which in itself would be interesting, I agree. But for Pete's sake, really, why would orthodoxy try to hide the existence of such things? If you truly understood how orthodox research and exploration are conducted, you would never say such a thing. And why are you still on about this wall?

The only reason it is there is to control the flow of traffic to certain monuments. The monuments can be guarded much easier this way, because graffiti and snatching chunks of stones are an ever-present problem. Qoais, you really ought not to obsess over conspiracy plots that do not exist. You are in a sense saying that professional historians are deceitful and dishonest, which is not only false but rather offensive. Kmt - you're one of the most respected posters at Unexplained Mysteries, a scholar and defender of orthodox Egyptology.

As far as I can tell, you are a most honest person and always state when you know a thing or when you just 'think' a thing. You give excellent information as well giving reference to links that further that information, for the benefit of the viewing audience. You are a gentleman and a scholar. However, that's you.

I did not say in any sense that professional historians are deceitful and dishonest. I have posted before, about information from the 1930's, published in newspapers, regarding what was found under Giza. Hawass has denied these finds. There is an article that quotes him when he is talking to the Queen of Denmark and teaching her about Egypt, telling her about a beautiful statue he found. He has since denied finding it. So I would say that in my opinion, yes, I suspect certain individuals that are proponents of orthodox Egyptology seem to be deceitful and dishonest.